A while ago, RobSays remarked upon this response to the decline in Red Pill discussion among twenty-somethings:
It seems like history is repeating.
Perhaps this is the human condition: each generation must seek wisdom from the experience of previous generations but runs the risk of receiving advice that is out of date.
As time passes and the world changes more rapidly, this risk rises to a near certainty.
Many members of Gen-X were finding themselves adrift after following Boomer advice: be yourself, be a gentleman, get a university degree, buy a house.
This was not malevolent on the part of our representative Boomer. He completed a degree in business and got a job by sending a resume to a corporation that included a ripper cover letter that used all the tips in How To Win Friends and Influence People.
He bought a nice suburban home surrounded by white people that cost three times his annual income. He was able to support a wife and three children.
Being a steady and hardworking guy was enough to attract a mate. Now he’s wondering what the hell is wrong with young lads today.
When I was such a young lad, I had to find out what the hell was wrong with me by seeking out red pill secrets independently.
Now a lot of Millennials and Gen Z seems to have lost that wisdom. Or have they? Perhaps they’ve perused the Roissy archives and busted some moves without success. Maybe Gen X advice is now out of touch.
This is plausible for a number of reasons:
Rapid change and the online shift
During the tail-end of the PUA boom, the situation was evolving rapidly. An approach that worked well in 2010 would not work so well in 2012 with girls becoming more accustomed to online dating and would be completely outdated and creepy in 2014 once Tinder had become mainstream and talking to a stranger in public could get you arrested.
This unfolded differently in different countries, but many practitioners in many places reported that previously effective moves were no longer getting results.
The Great Awokening
This new religious movement took off in 2013 and has been progressing rapidly since then.
Previous to that year, feminism was a big thing but understanding shit tests and the true desires of women were enough to overcome anti-male conditioning.
Since 2013 it’s been getting harder. You need to be very careful around university-indoctrinated Western women, whether you are approaching or in a relationship. The risk is not rejection – it is denunciation. See also MeToo.
Until very recently, extremely few women engaged in any form of sex work. In terms of relationship red flags, it was rare enough that you didn’t really need to think about it.
Suddenly, that has all changed. Not only do a significant proportion of women seeking a relationship now have some compensated dating in their past or some online nudies for sale; some have become accustomed to being compensated and now expect it.
Even if they haven’t taken the ticket, they know it’s there. The option might be enough to alter their bargaining position in a relationship; make them raise their standards unreasonably high. Why should an average young woman date Mr Average gratis when another Mr Average online is willing to stump up cash? Mr Average without a short-time dowry may no longer be good enough.
After all, these days there are men who will pay simply to interact with a woman online. One man paid $2,500 for a Skype chat with Belle Delphine and many more stumped up $30 for what was supposedly her bathwater.
Not all women can generate income like that, but if it’s possible for an attractive lady to get paid just for interacting online, when she does so for free with some poor sap trying to score a normal date, the cash thing will be at the back of her mind and the fellow messaging for free had better be entertaining, and hot.
The process towards this point was gradual, then sudden. Yes, like going broke.
First there was the 1960s free love movement. Then in the 2000s, women became more interested in getting an education and career before dating seriously so there was a shift from serial monogamy to casual dating and hook-ups.
The next step was Tinder, which normalized meeting strangers online and having sex with them a short time later with limited preliminaries.
The final step (so far) was the popularization of sugar baby sites and OnlyFans. Once you see this progression it starts to make more sense: the jump from 1950s kissing only on the third date to pro sugar baby is extreme but the jump from Tinder hookups with strangers to similar hookups with a few gifts thrown in is not so great. Nor is the jump from sending badboys nudes to offering pics online for cash.
None of this is to say that walking up to a girl in the mall and asking where the pet shop is will never work.
Change happens in the margins.
In 2008, that approach was more likely to bear fruit because fewer men were doing it.
In 2020 it is less likely to succeed because women are bored with being approached, fewer go to malls, women’s lives have moved online and dating compensation is now more likely to be expected.
A gigachad might still pull off the ole’ pet shot caper but I can understand why some chaps who see themselves as having lower SMV might have given up for now and be directing their energies instead to an online fantasy world.
I’m not sure about anything I’ve written here. I’m so out of touch I don’t even know how out of touch I am. From 2017-2019 I barely dated and since then I’ve been stuck in the Philippines, which is obviously an outlier.
In any case, I departed the West in 2007.
What’s going on out there? How are things for the young guns? Do I have any readers in their 20s? Let me know.
Related: Thinking Ape points out that there is no saturation point for intimacy (images are safe for work but commentary contains adult themes).
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